The British "newspaper" The Telegraph has run a story headlined "Vatican vows to expel stem cell scientists from Church" and illustrated yet again why the secular press is too incompetent to keep its job when it comes to reporting religion stories.
According to the story:
Scientists who carry out embryonic stem cell research
and politicians who pass laws permitting the practice will be
excommunicated, the Vatican said yesterday."Destroying
human embryos is equivalent to an abortion. It is the same thing," said
Cardinal Alfonso Lopez Trujillo, head of the Pontifical Council for the
Family."Excommunication will be applied to the
women, doctors and researchers who eliminate embryos [and to the]
politicians that approve the law," he said in an interview with
Famiglia Christiana, an official Vatican magazine.
Whoa! Whoa! Whoa!
The Telegraph needs to hold its horses on this one.
First, the fact that the head of a pontifical council said something in a magazine interview–even in a magazine published by the Vatican–does not ammount ot a statement of Vatican policy, so it is completely misrepresents the situation to take the cardinals interview remarks and pitch them as "Vatican vows" to do anything. The Vatican doesn’t make policy statements in magazine interviews.
Second, we’re talking about the head of the Pontifical Council on the Family, here. While he’s a great guy, it is not within his brief to make binding statements regarding the extent to which canonical matters like excommunication apply to particular situations. He’s certainly entitled to express his opinions on the matters (and ED PETERS THINKS HE’S RIGHT REGARDING EMBRYO DESTROYERS) but the good cardinal is not empowered to move beyond the realm of offering an opinion and into making binding interpretations of canon law. So one more reason why this ain’t a "Vatican vow."
Third, we’re not talking about all stem cell scientists–just those who destroy embryos. As JAMIE BEU POINTS OUT, only stem cell research involving embryos is in question, not adult stem cell research.
Fourth, even confining outselves to embryonic stem cell research, it ain’t all scientists who do this research that the cardinal was addressing–just those who destroy embryos. If a scientist is doing experiments on a cell line derived from embryos who were killed in the past, he’s not performing an abortion and thus he’s not whacked by the sentence of excommunication. Regardless of whether he’s engaging in a moral activity in doing such experiments, he’s not aborting embryos and thus does not incur excommunication for procuring or assisting in the procurement of an abortion.
Fifth, excommunication does not "expel [one] from [the] Church"! It just doesn’t! Not under current canon law. The canonical effects of excommunication are enumerated in CANON 1331 and being expelled from the Church ain’t one of ’em.
So any way you slice it, The Telegraph staff responsible for this story have done a flatly incompetent job–at that before we even get past the headline!
It’s not even clear from the way the story is written how far its incompetence goes.
For example, note this statement:
"Excommunication will be applied to the women, doctors and researchers who eliminate embryos [and to the] politicians that approve the law," he said in an interview with Famiglia Christiana, an official Vatican magazine.
Since I don’t have a copy of Famiglia Christiana (or a translation of it), I have to rely on The Telegraph that the material from the cardinal is being quoted accurately and in context, but there is a question in my mind about that because of the inserted "[and to the]" which bridges an elipsis in the cardinal’s remarks.
There is a question in my mind about whether this insertion and elipsis distorts what the cardinal said because there would be notable canonical problems with the assertion that politicians would be excommunicated.
Penal laws are subject to narrow interpretation (Canon 18), and the Church has not historically interpreted the abortion excommunication politicians who vote in favor of laws that allow abortion as being excommunicated. Those directly involved in the abortion are, but not those who established the legal framework allowing abortion to take place.
Further, John Paul II in Evangelium Vitae 73 that in certain situations Catholic politicians can vote for laws that allow abortion if there is no practical way to get the abortion-allowing provisions out of the laws.
If Cardinal Trujillo did say that the abortion excommunication applies to politicians (and I don’t know what is meant by "approve"–whether it is morally approve or approve in the sense of voting, either one of which would have canonical hurdles for such excommunications to take effect) then that is his opinion, but it is once again not an authentic (i.e., authoritative) interpretation of canon law.
Unfortunately, I can’t even be sure what the cardinal said or meant from the incompetent way that The Telegraph’s staff has handled this story.
Jimmy, there are some weird ads invading your blog.
And what’s this “the women” thing? Presumably, the fathers of the babies would also be excommunicated, if they consented to their children being treated in such a way.
This is the second time the Telegraph has done this in a month. The remarks the pope made after the recent concert by Bartolucci, in which His Holiness spoke in favor of traditional music in the liturgy, were turned into a “Pope demands an end to contemporary music in the liturgy”-type of story. (you may have seen this story already; I don’t recall if you’ve mentioned it).
I don’t know what’s up with the folks at the Telegraph these days.
You may be right on the details, but I think you miss the point. To take a timely example, if Alberto Gonzales were to go on CNN and announce that the prosecutions of journalists for printing classified information were starting tomorrow, his spokesman wouldn’t do very well to come back a few hours later and issue a press release saying that no one should be concerned because “we don’t make policy in TV interviews.” Likewise, when a fairly important Vatican official says something on the record in an official Vatican magazine, it’s a little absurd to cite sections of canon law to demonstrate that what he said doesn’t technically carry any weight and it’s somehow “incompetent” to report on it. At the very least, statements like this give insight into the thought process inside the Vatican; it strikes me as perfectly reasonable to report them just as the Telegraph would if an important government official said something newsworthy on the record.
The interview (in Italian) is available here:
http://www.stpauls.it/fc/0627fc/0627fc44.htm
I’ll translate the relevant section:
Q:”Is excommunication still applied for abortion?”
A:”Yes, it is, and it applies to the mother, the doctor, the nurses, and to the father too if he agrees.”
Q:”What about the politicians who approve those laws?”
A:”If they are believers, they must prove their consistence through their actions. In my opinion, if they approve unfair and unjust laws that destroy Man and oppose God’s rights, this should be examined, because they shouldn’t be allowed to approach Communion. Nobody in the world is allowed to contradict the Church’s doctrine on the defense of live, on any level.”
Q:”Does it apply to those who research embryo stem cells as well?”
A:”Of course. It’s the same thing. Destroying an embryo is the same as an abortion. And excommunication applies to the woman, the doctors, the researchers who eliminate the embryo.”
Second answer: “live”->”life”
Third answer: missing an “and” before “the researchers”
This is what I get by posting hastily. Hrm.
Hmm. Unfortunately, the Daily Telegraph is the best newspaper in Britain (in terms of the secular newspaper media) for Catholics – it’s a very Conservative, ‘High Tory’ paper, and I for one count as an avid reader.
Compare the coverage as it would be in the ‘Guardian’ or ‘Independent’ (both secularist, liberal, and both very anti-Catholic), or even the (London) Times, and you’d find the Telegraph’s coverage might be (on occasion) inaccurate, but at least fairly objective!
What amazed me about the piece (“Vatican vows to expel stem cell scientists from Church”, pg. 15, Friday June 30th, 2006), was when it quoted an “Italian Senator, Paola Binetti”, apparently “a member of Opus Dei and a prominent campaigner for Catholic rights”, who spoke out against the Church’s reported line by saying:
“I am upset and stunned… It is a mistake to give out the idea that God is angry with man because he is not in agreement with [H]im.”
I’m sorry?
Firstly, who in their right mind would want to NOT be in agreement with God the Almighty?? Surely not being in agreement with the only Being who is always right is by definition to be wrong!? Secondly, of *course* God is angry with man when he is not in agreement with Him! Not being in agreement with God is called SIN!!!
How daft does the Woman Senator have to be?? And who knew that there were liberals in Opus Dei…?
😉
Grace and Peace be with you,
The Cavalier
Neo-Cavalier,
I’ll translate a comment on this by Luigi Castaldi, a.k.a. Malvino, one of my favourite bloggers and probably one of the harshest anti-Catholic writers in Italy (unfortunately his elaborate prose doesn’t come across very well in English):
“Nothing new in the interview Cardinal Trujillo gave to Famiglia Cristiana, it is the Church’s magisterium and it’s truly ridiculous that someone might turn it into a debate about style: in the end, the Church’s magisterium allows no compromises, either you are part of the sheep or you are out of it, by means of a notification of excommunication if need be, or even more quickly lata sententia.
It is a mystery, then, why there is so much surprise, and especially why some sheep, though usually very obedient to the shepherd like Senator Paola Binetti, wrinkled their snouts at the interview. Unless it’s because Trujillo’s harsh words reveal, without any chance of misunderstandings, what the right to express its opinion, which the Church invokes (often falling into victimism if people dare to consider it just a point of view among others), really amounts to: the right to be right, always, or else nulla salus – and let us be thankful the condemnation is limited to excommunication; a temporal claw would have treated sin like a crime, by means of a needful and exemplar advance on eternal punishment.
If the game is out in the open, one wonders what a Catholic politician could still be good for, other than for setting up a compromise should the magisterium be denied its due, i.e. obedience.
Poor Senator Binetti, an emissary sent to negotiate the unnegotiable: politics in name only.”
In other words: a politician thrives on compromise, but with his all-out, no-holds-barred presentation of official Church teachings, Cardinal Trujillo has removed any space for compromise Binetti might have had to do her job. If all she has to do is stand up in Parliament and say “Those who do this are sinners, and there’s nothing else to say”, nobody will want to talk to her, and she won’t be able to advance the Church’s agenda in the Italian political stage any more.
Jay, Jimmy’s post is excellent; you are quite mistaken in several repsects. Read Nihil’s very helpful post, and spot as manny DISTINCT canonical issues as you can. I glanced though it and found 8. Really, people need to exercise a little reflection before calling a typical post of Jimmy’s on canon law “a little absurd.”
I think something may be getting lost in translation here with Sen. Binetti’s comments. From John Allen’s April 14, 2006, Word from Rome: Here’s an intriguing sidebar from the Italian elections: A numerary of Opus Dei, meaning a celibate who lives full-time in an Opus Dei center, was elected to the national Senate … from the center-left.
As such, Senator-elect Paola Binetti, 63, defies the image of a monolithic hard-right political climate within Opus Dei.
To be sure, when it comes to “culture of life” issues, Binetti yields to no one in her defense of “Catholic” positions. A medical doctor, university professor, and former president of the “Association for Science and Life,” Binetti helped spearhead last summer’s campaign against the in-vitro fertilization referendum. She has also irritated fellow members of Prodi’s coalition by her dogmatic opposition to changes to Italy’s restrictive law on abortion.
Source: http://nationalcatholicreporter.org/word/word041406.htm
I don’t get the impression she’d suddenly get all huffy about embryonic stem cell research being a serious moral problem for a Catholic.
Ed,
I don’t in the least question Jimmy’s knowledge of canon law, as far as canon law goes. What I was calling “a little absurd” (and I’m sorry if that came across too harshly) was the idea that canon law is going to dictate whether a secular newspaper reports on something an important Vatican official says, just as the fact that (in my earlier example) what the Attorney General says about indicting people has no legal effect doesn’t mean that the media is going to ignore it.
This is why the Washington Post, for example, doesn’t simply republish the Federal Register and the Congressional Record, but rather writes its own stories on federal agencies and Congress, sometimes based on anonymous quotes and behind the scenes reporting. I’m not saying the story was perfect; maybe the brackets gave an inaccurate impression or the headline is overly ambitious. But newspapers necessarily simplify and are writing for a lay audience.
If you’re in the position of the Cardinal here, you should be careful what you say, especially in an on the record interview; you can’t go back and whine about being taken out of context because the paper publishes a 300 word summary of what you said rather than a 40 page legal analysis with footnotes.
Ed,
I don’t in the least question Jimmy’s knowledge of canon law, as far as canon law goes. What I was calling “a little absurd” (and I’m sorry if that came across too harshly) was the idea that canon law is going to dictate whether a secular newspaper reports on something an important Vatican official says, just as the fact that (in my earlier example) what the Attorney General says about indicting people has no legal effect doesn’t mean that the media is going to ignore it.
This is why the Washington Post, for example, doesn’t simply republish the Federal Register and the Congressional Record, but rather writes its own stories on federal agencies and Congress, sometimes based on anonymous quotes and behind the scenes reporting. I’m not saying the story was perfect; maybe the brackets gave an inaccurate impression or the headline is overly ambitious. But newspapers necessarily simplify and are writing for a lay audience.
If you’re in the position of the Cardinal here, you should be careful what you say, especially in an on the record interview; you can’t go back and whine about being taken out of context because the paper publishes a 300 word summary of what you said rather than a 40 page legal analysis with footnotes.
I have to agree with Jay, and recommend that the way to remedy “The Vatican doesn’t make policy statements in magazine interviews” position is for the Curia to get their act together. Hopefully B16 will be advised to gather the disparate communications professionals (press office, TV-radio, publishing vehicles, two web sites in Tower-of-Babel global disarray) together and exercise some strategic vision re: getting the message out! It is regretable that such an important issue is treated so parochially by a head of a Pontifical Council – in the market of ideas/realm of commerce that is now unabashedly instantaneously universal, he shouldn’t be doing an “exclusive” interview with a local Roman rag, but preparing talking points for sharing with his colleagues to promote the understanding if the “right” kind of stem cell research, rather than leaving a bunch of uninformed clerics and under-catechized scientists the world over trying to defend the Church of which they too are members from the Telegraph and NY Times version of their Brother-in-Christ’s remarks! (Who needs enemies when you have friends like these) In this day and age of internet access, podcasting and blogging the Vatican must do better – who are the experts that the Telegraph should have turned to? The Vatican needs to recruit expert professional laity for a ‘go-to’ list for cases just like these…
I don’t see the absurdity. Sloppy journalism is sloppy journalism, which is the main point that Jimmy, or anyone who can read, saw.
Jay is trying to be reasonable here, but Scott, Jay’s comment WAS about Jimmy’s use of canon law, not about the press story (which was rotten). Now, Jay, your analogies are wrong because you keep missing the point that the Coun. Family has ZERO authority to interpret OR apply canon law. If you want an anonlogy from American society, try “The Director of the Office of Parks and Recreation annnounced today that family members of suspected terrorists would be prosecuted for abetting terrorism.” Notice, he might be, in point of fact, right, but he would not have the “authority” to make such a determination. I’m out there (alone so far) in defending the card’s substantive assertions on RELEVANT grounds, but notice, I am not defending him as having auhtority to make the policy, only to read it as other plausibly (and I think, correctly) could. Happy 4th, all.
What Neo-Cavalier says about the Telegraph’s normally being a good conservative newspaper is quite correct. In my view it’s by far the best national daily in Britain. But it lost a very good editor in Charles Moore, a convert to Catholicism, who left its helm a year or two ago to write a biography of Lady Thatcher. A clumsily-written article like this one probably wouldn’t have got into the paper under his editorship.
ps: fwiw, i agree with the rest of jay’s second post, too. i should have said that earlier, just to be clear.
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SAMSUNG D600 FOR……..$130usd,
SAMSUNG Z500 For……..$160usd,
SAMSUNG D415 For…….. $110usd
SAMSUNG SGH-T500…For……. $120
SAMSUNG SGH-T200…For……. $100,
SAMSUNG SGH-E600…For $130
SAMSUNG
33SGH-D410 For……..$135,
SAMSUNG SGH-P100 For……..$100,
SAMSUNG E330C…For………$120,
SAMSUNG E800C For…………$150,
SAMSUNG D720 For ………….$150,
SAMSUNG D730 For ………….$155,
IPOD NANO
Apple 60 GB iPod Photo M9830LL/A……….60 USD
Apple 60 GB iPod photo ……………….55 USD
Apple 30 GB iPod Photo M9829LL/A……….50 USD
Apple 512 MB iPod Shuffle MP3 Player……40 USD
Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Blue M9436LL/A…….45 USD
Apple 2 GB iPod Nano………………….50 USD
Apple 4 GB iPod Nano………………….60 USD
Apple 30 GB iPod Vidoe……………….80 USD
Apple 60 GB iPod Vidoe……………….100 USD
DIGITAL CAMERA
Canon PowerShot SD20 Digital Elph Digital Camera…..$100usd
Nikon Coolpix 5600 Digital Camera……$75usd
Pentax Optio 750Z Digital Camera…….$150usd
Nikon Coolpix 4300 Digital Camera…..$100usd
Nikon Coolpix S4 Digital Camera……$150usd
Casio Exilim Zoom EX-Z750 Digital Camera….$100usd
Sony Cyber-shot DSC-T7 Digital Camera…..$120usd
Sony Cyber-shot DSC-N1 Digital Camera……$180usd
Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ5K Digital Camera……$120usd
Nikon D50 with 18-55mm and 55-200mm Lenses Digital…$250usd
AND MANY MORE AVAILABLE IN STORE
CAMCORDERS
Sony DCR-DVD201 DV Camcorder….$300usd
Canon ZR200 DV Camcorder……..$140usd
Samsung SCD67 DV Camcorder……$200usd
Sony DCR-HC20 DV Camcorder……$170usd
Panasonic AG-DVC7 DV Camcorder..$500usd
Panasonic PV-GS150 DV Camcorder.$180usd
Sony DCR-DVD203 DV Camcorder….$240usd
Sony DCR-HC40 DV Camcorder……$140usd
Panasonic PV-GS19 DV Camcorder..$120usd
Sony DCR-DVD403 DV Camcorder….$300usd
AND MANY MORE AVAILABLE IN STORE
PDA
Brand new HP IPaq Pocket PC H4150 ========= $190
Brand new Asus MyPal A716 ================= $175
Brand new HP IPaq Pocket PC H4350 ========= $185
Brand new Toshiba Pocket PC E405 ========== $120
Brand new Sony Clie PEG-TH55 ============== $155
Brand new Toshiba Pocket PC E800 ========== $220
Brand new PalmOne Zire 72================== $120
Brand new PalmOne Tungsten E ============== $90
Brand new PalmOne Tungsten C ============== $140
Brand new PalmOne Zire 31 ================= $65
Brand new palm Treo 650=====================$240
Sony Laptops
Sony VAIO VGN-T1 $680
Sony VAIO VGN-FS315 $420
Sony VAIO VGN-S3 $450
Sony VAIO VGN-TX1 $840
Sony VAIO VGN-FS215 $ 310
Sony VAIO VGN-S5 $710
Sony VAIO VGN-FS295 $ 650
Sony VAIO VGN-A517 $590
Sony VAIO VGN-S4 $470
Sony VAIO PCG-K35 $550,
SIDEKICK
Sidekick II Cell Phone for 120usd
T-Mobile Sidekick 3 for $140usd
T-mobile sidekick 3 series 2 for $200usd
Games.
PlayStation 3 for $180usd
PSP bundle for $150usd
Sony PSP (PlayStation Portable) for $155usd
XBOX 360 for $190usd
AND MANY MORE OF CHOICES…
WE PROVIDE A GOOD AND FAST SERVICES, OUR SHIPPMENT IS WITHIN
48HRS.
WE ARE GIVING OUR BUYERS A BONANZA OF WHICH IF YOU PURCHASE ANY TWO (2)
MOBILE
PHONES FROM OUR COMPANY, YOU WILL GET ONE (1) FOR FREE.
IF YOU ARE INTERESTED DO GET BACK TO US WITH YOUR FULL SHIPPING ADDRESS
AND YOU
CHOICE AND CONTACT PHONE NUMBER FOR THE EASY TRANSACTION
THANKS,
REGARD,
MANAGEMENT.
ROSE WILLIAMS
+2348026900051
GSMPHONEHOLDINGS1@YAHOO.FR
Forum: SonyEricsson W800 – –13-11-2006 – 7:41:37 PM
Author : rose williams –
–BONANAZA! BONANAZA!! BONANAZA!!!
BUY TWO GET ONE FREE!!!
GSM PHONE HOLDINGS.
Email:GSMPHONEHOLDINGS1@YAHOO.FR
Tel: +2348026900051
BRAND NEW SIM FREE/OPEN LINES/UNLOCK.
We are mobile phones wholesalers and we do sale in pieces to enhance
our sales.We deals on all brands and models of mobile phones such as
Nokia,Motorola,Samsung,Sony Ericsson,Sagem, Nextel,Sidekick
II,Sprint,Ipods, Laptops, Mp3 players etc at very cheap prices.Also,
this is to
reach
our customers globally that its the season of BUY TWO GET ONE FREE.
We are using
this medium to reach interested buyers of mobile phones.Do kindly reply
back if you are interested. THE KINDS OF MOBILE PHONES ARE LISTED
BELOW:
MOTOROLA RAZOR V3 for……..$150usd,
MOTORLA RAZOR V6 FOR……..$170usd,
MOTOROLA A1000 For $160,
MOTOROLA MPX 220 For…….. $135usd,
MOTOROLA MPX 300 For…….. $155usd,
SONY ERICSSON W800i For……..$160usd,
SONY ERICSSON K700i For…….. $150usd
SONY ERICSSON k750i For…….. $160usd
Sony Ericsson K500i For……… $130,
Sony Ericsson S700i For…….. $140,
SONY ERICSSON P900…….. For$165,
Sony Ericsson P910 For just $170usd,
Sony Ericsson: Z1010 For………..$175,
NOKIA 9500 For…….. $150usd,
NOKIA 9300 For…….. $130usd,
NOKIA 6260 For……..$140usd,
NOKIA 8800 For……. $150usd,
NOKIA N90 FOR……. $350USD
NOKIA N90 For…….. $180usd
NOKIA N91 For……….$190usd
NOKIA N92 For……….$200usd
NOKIA N93 For ………$210usd
NOKIA N95 FOR………$360usd
NOKIA 7610 For………..$150,
NOKIA 6682 For…………145,
Nokia 6820 for ……….$130,
NOKIA 6682 For……….$160,
NOKIA 7650 For ……….$165,
NOKIA E60 for………. $160,
Nokia 6230 for………$130,
Nokia 6230i for ……….$140,
NOKIA E61 for………. $165.
NOKIA E70 for……… $170,
SENDO X For……….$140,
SIEMENS SX1 For……….$140,
NEXTEL i930 For…….. $130usd,
NEXTEL i860 For…….. $110usd,
SAMSUNG D500 For…….. $120usd,
SAMSUNG D600 FOR……..$130usd,
SAMSUNG Z500 For……..$160usd,
SAMSUNG D415 For…….. $110usd
SAMSUNG SGH-T500…For……. $120
SAMSUNG SGH-T200…For……. $100,
SAMSUNG SGH-E600…For $130
SAMSUNG
33SGH-D410 For……..$135,
SAMSUNG SGH-P100 For……..$100,
SAMSUNG E330C…For………$120,
SAMSUNG E800C For…………$150,
SAMSUNG D720 For ………….$150,
SAMSUNG D730 For ………….$155,
IPOD NANO
Apple 60 GB iPod Photo M9830LL/A……….60 USD
Apple 60 GB iPod photo ……………….55 USD
Apple 30 GB iPod Photo M9829LL/A……….50 USD
Apple 512 MB iPod Shuffle MP3 Player……40 USD
Apple 4 GB iPod Mini Blue M9436LL/A…….45 USD
Apple 2 GB iPod Nano………………….50 USD
Apple 4 GB iPod Nano………………….60 USD
Apple 30 GB iPod Vidoe……………….80 USD
Apple 60 GB iPod Vidoe……………….100 USD
DIGITAL CAMERA
Canon PowerShot SD20 Digital Elph Digital Camera…..$100usd
Nikon Coolpix 5600 Digital Camera……$75usd
Pentax Optio 750Z Digital Camera…….$150usd
Nikon Coolpix 4300 Digital Camera…..$100usd
Nikon Coolpix S4 Digital Camera……$150usd
Casio Exilim Zoom EX-Z750 Digital Camera….$100usd
Sony Cyber-shot DSC-T7 Digital Camera…..$120usd
Sony Cyber-shot DSC-N1 Digital Camera……$180usd
Panasonic Lumix DMC-FZ5K Digital Camera……$120usd
Nikon D50 with 18-55mm and 55-200mm Lenses Digital…$250usd
AND MANY MORE AVAILABLE IN STORE
CAMCORDERS
Sony DCR-DVD201 DV Camcorder….$300usd
Canon ZR200 DV Camcorder……..$140usd
Samsung SCD67 DV Camcorder……$200usd
Sony DCR-HC20 DV Camcorder……$170usd
Panasonic AG-DVC7 DV Camcorder..$500usd
Panasonic PV-GS150 DV Camcorder.$180usd
Sony DCR-DVD203 DV Camcorder….$240usd
Sony DCR-HC40 DV Camcorder……$140usd
Panasonic PV-GS19 DV Camcorder..$120usd
Sony DCR-DVD403 DV Camcorder….$300usd
AND MANY MORE AVAILABLE IN STORE
PDA
Brand new HP IPaq Pocket PC H4150 ========= $190
Brand new Asus MyPal A716 ================= $175
Brand new HP IPaq Pocket PC H4350 ========= $185
Brand new Toshiba Pocket PC E405 ========== $120
Brand new Sony Clie PEG-TH55 ============== $155
Brand new Toshiba Pocket PC E800 ========== $220
Brand new PalmOne Zire 72================== $120
Brand new PalmOne Tungsten E ============== $90
Brand new PalmOne Tungsten C ============== $140
Brand new PalmOne Zire 31 ================= $65
Brand new palm Treo 650=====================$240
Sony Laptops
Sony VAIO VGN-T1 $680
Sony VAIO VGN-FS315 $420
Sony VAIO VGN-S3 $450
Sony VAIO VGN-TX1 $840
Sony VAIO VGN-FS215 $ 310
Sony VAIO VGN-S5 $710
Sony VAIO VGN-FS295 $ 650
Sony VAIO VGN-A517 $590
Sony VAIO VGN-S4 $470
Sony VAIO PCG-K35 $550,
SIDEKICK
Sidekick II Cell Phone for 120usd
T-Mobile Sidekick 3 for $140usd
T-mobile sidekick 3 series 2 for $200usd
Games.
PlayStation 3 for $180usd
PSP bundle for $150usd
Sony PSP (PlayStation Portable) for $155usd
XBOX 360 for $190usd
AND MANY MORE OF CHOICES…
WE PROVIDE A GOOD AND FAST SERVICES, OUR SHIPPMENT IS WITHIN
48HRS.
WE ARE GIVING OUR BUYERS A BONANZA OF WHICH IF YOU PURCHASE ANY TWO (3)
MOBILE
PHONES FROM OUR COMPANY, YOU WILL GET ONE (1) FOR FREE.
IF YOU ARE INTERESTED DO GET BACK TO US WITH YOUR FULL SHIPPING ADDRESS
AND YOU
CHOICE AND CONTACT PHONE NUMBER FOR THE EASY TRANSACTION
THANKS,
REGARD,
MANAGEMENT.
kelly smith
+447031920704
gsm_holdingltd@yahoo.com
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